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shep874

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Batteries
« on: July 21, 2010, 07:28:59 AM »
I recently had a problem with Billie going out for short runs.  It was diagnosed as a bad battery, by everyone.  When I got Billie back with new batteries, the condition was still the same.  After consulting with Vishal he determined that the problem was in the bump switches.  Apparently there is a micro switch in there that controls the volts. Changing these switches seems to have solved the problem.

Had I had some good information I probably could have saved the cost of new batteries. I also might not have set off a storm of complaints on this form.

Here is the information that I think we will need to avoid this in the future.

How to Test the Lithium Battery.
This needs to be addressed in the manual under trouble shooting.
Is there a test for the micro switch failure?
"Mel"

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2010, 08:28:23 AM »
What model lawnbott do you have again, and what microswitch are you refering to?  The bump switches that the cover/charging "nuts" are screwed onto?

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2010, 09:45:25 AM »
I also wish we knew the microswitches can cause short run times.  It is a surprise; but I guess if the connection is poor, there will be a voltage drop.  KA must have just gotten the information from Italy recently because they never told us about it.  Mel, very sorry about this.  Let me know if your old batteries start working.  They weren't charging high enough when we tested them.

The model is LB3200.

shep874

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2010, 10:00:06 AM »
What model lawnbott do you have again, and what microswitch are you refering to?  The bump switches that the cover/charging "nuts" are screwed onto?

Yep that is the ones. Who would have thought..  I again checked the trouble shooting guide and see nothing in there about this..  Come on KA and Zucchetti give your dealers and their customers some help.. I have to wounder how many thought batteries were bad that were indeed not bad?
"Mel"

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2010, 11:34:59 AM »
Well, you have to give them credit for figuring that out.. I can't imagine it being a common issue.. I mean really.. that is a totally lame issue to have and probably was a shot in the dark with a "what else can we try" attitude.

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 11:28:47 PM »
The other thing that's weird is this robot ran for 4 hours on our lawn, no trouble at all.  We do have very sparse grass, though, that can make a difference.

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 09:55:47 AM »
The other thing that's weird is this robot ran for 4 hours on our lawn, no trouble at all.  We do have very sparse grass, though, that can make a difference.
I am going to send Robotlady some fertilizer and weed killer so that she can see what Billie has to do at my house...   (Now don't nobody get bent out of shape)  Just my dry sense of humor kicking in...  Just messing withe Robot ladies mind..... ;O)
I am not sure what the problem is as Billie has again dropped to two hours..  So I have packed every thing up and sent Billie to Goat reform school in the far South..  I will let you all know what they find out....  I am thinking that Billie might have got hooked and addicted  on dandelion weed at his stay at Robot ladies pasture.   
"Mel"

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 10:27:07 AM »
Weed killer and fertilizer won't help.  Our grass doesn't grow because the builder only put 1/4" of top soil over the hard clay.  In one small spot we replaced the soil and what do you know, thick green grass with no weeds!

When the blade experiences high resistance from tall, thick or wet grass it requires more energy from the batteries to cut the grass.  It matters also whether the blade is sharp or dull.  More energy required means faster battery depletion.  That's why a robot can run for 4 hours on one lawn but only an hour on another.

We used to run our robot 8:30-midnight on 3/4 acre (one battery).  Now we run him 1pm-midnight.  It is interesting because I don't see a difference in his ability to keep up with the growth.  That means, running him on wet grass was probably slowing him down because he could not run as long and then ended up charging during prime dry grass time.

I hope KA fixes Billie for you.  I definitely want to know what they did when to fix him!

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 09:48:52 PM »
When the blade experiences high resistance from tall, thick or wet grass it requires more energy from the batteries to cut the grass.  It matters also whether the blade is sharp or dull.  More energy required means faster battery depletion.  That's why a robot can run for 4 hours on one lawn but only an hour on another.
slowing him down because he could not run as long and then ended up charging during prime dry grass time.
I agree with every thing you are saying. But also what is true, is that Billei was set to mow 24 7 from almost day one.  and always stayed out 4 + hours. and you could not find any spot that he missed. Except when he was broke down.  That was until a few weeks ago.  now there are big patches that are not mowed.  All advertisement said he would do up to 1 1/4 acre..  I am not asking for anything more than what I was told when I made the purchase.  I expect that he should run for a season in fact several years with nothing more than blade changes and cleaning. Anything less is unacceptable.

I saw nothing in advertising that said the grass had to be dry, thin or any other conditions. 

My understanding is that robot mowers are not in fact mowers.  They are maintenance machines. Made to run on a continuing bases and only cutting about 1/4 inch to maybe 1/2 inch. 

The big problem with short runs other than not being able to keep up with the maintenance of the lawn is that every charge reduces the life of the battery.  So at a 2 hour run time the battery will charge 4 3/4 time in a 24 hour period. versus about 3 times with a run time of 4 + hours.
"Mel"

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2010, 08:39:56 AM »
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I am not asking for anything more than what I was told when I made the purchase.

Although I agree with this statement, you later mention what isn't in the advertising.

Let's stick with the "just have it do what you SAY it will do" and dream about fixing the stuff they don't say it will do, like burn motors up ever 2 years.

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Re: Batteries
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2010, 04:16:43 PM »
I had declining runtimes at the end of last year. With my voltmeter I discovered a big voltage drop accross the charging cable.
When I used my winter charging cable, I could still get a good charge.
The connection of the wire at the charging plates was bad.
I 'hotwired' my charger to the hut with some BIG stranded wire, and my run time problems dissappeared :)
I was not suprised to find out that the most recent upgrade included a new charging cable.

 

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